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Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:19 pm
by RogDC
Is it possible to add tool type column? End Mill, Drill, V-Bit, Tapered Bit, Ball-Nose, Form Tool, etc?
For V-Bits or Form Bits would it be possible to have a X-Y part Zero inhibit flag on the tool so that they could only be used for Z-Zero?
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:40 pm
by tblough
Id like to see a display diameter that is used in the backplot. I use tool wear compensation, so all my actual diameters are essentially zero and therefore don't show up on the backplots.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:05 pm
by RogDC
tblough wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:40 pm
Id like to see a display diameter that is used in the backplot. I use tool wear compensation, so all my actual diameters are essentially zero and therefore don't show up on the backplots.
This would be very useful - especially for V-Bits.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:32 pm
by cncsnw
Is it possible to add tool type column? End Mill, Drill, V-Bit, Tapered Bit, Ball-Nose, Form Tool, etc?
If you do that, please supervise the less-experienced members of the development team closely, to avoid a repeat of the kind of issues we had with lathe geometry offset measurement. (For example, where measuring the X offset of an "ID Threading" tool gave an incorrect result, but making the identical measurement with the tool described as "ID Turning" gave the correct result.)
In short, the cosmetic description of a tool should have absolutely no bearing on how the control measures its offsets, or moves it in response to CNC G code commands.
The description probably should not even invoke any "reality" checks in Intercon cycles. If a user wants to run a peck drilling cycle with a form tool, maybe he has a good reason for that.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:23 pm
by cnckeith
cncsnw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:32 pm
Is it possible to add tool type column? End Mill, Drill, V-Bit, Tapered Bit, Ball-Nose, Form Tool, etc?
If you do that, please supervise the less-experienced members of the development team closely, to avoid a repeat of the kind of issues we had with lathe geometry offset measurement. (For example, where measuring the X offset of an "ID Threading" tool gave an incorrect result, but making the identical measurement with the tool described as "ID Turning" gave the correct result.)
In short, the cosmetic description of a tool should have absolutely no bearing on how the control measures its offsets, or moves it in response to CNC G code commands.
The description probably should not even invoke any "reality" checks in Intercon cycles. If a user wants to run a peck drilling cycle with a form tool, maybe he has a good reason for that.
yeah, i agree!
and if anyone wants to create a tool library function/feature for a specific application they can do with the centroid api.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:24 pm
by cnckeith
RogDC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:19 pm
Is it possible to add tool type column? End Mill, Drill, V-Bit, Tapered Bit, Ball-Nose, Form Tool, etc?
For V-Bits or Form Bits would it be possible to have a X-Y part Zero inhibit flag on the tool so that they could only be used for Z-Zero?
for use with the touch plate? yeah we can do that!
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:25 pm
by cnckeith
RogDC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:21 pm
Consider making the header row a different color than the alternating color of the tool rows to avoid two rows of the same color when you are scrolling the window.
Will the Auto Tool Measurement Option provide the option to touch off using the Touch Plate ( P540 ) or Tool Touch Off ( P044) ?
done, and fyi. all the colors will be controllable by the user! so you can do anything you want.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:31 pm
by cnckeith
corbin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:53 pm
@keith - the draft tool library management looks great! I'm curious how one would enter "no bin" to make it appear as "---"; does it just happen when you set the change to "Manual?" I'm currently using "0" as "manual tool change", or not in the rack.
I'll post some stuff about my app to the API section pretty soon! It is all open source, and currently is specific to Avid CNC.
https://github.com/corbinstreehouse/Cen ... lRackSetup
right on! looking forward to working with you and seeing what you and the Avid guys come up with.
i haven't built out the get/put/load/unload section yet, the idea was, when you remove a tool from the atc or when you put a new tool # into a bin (reassignment) the old tool number bin # will go " -----" meaning the tool is not assigned a bin number and should not be in the rack/atc.
you can also cancel out the height offset value by hitting the delete key which depending on your selections would force a remeasure of the height offset then next time the tool is changed.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:31 pm
by cnckeith
tblough wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:40 pm
Id like to see a display diameter that is used in the backplot. I use tool wear compensation, so all my actual diameters are essentially zero and therefore don't show up on the backplots.
got it.
Re: Tool Library Description lengths seem to be limited < Mill and Router CNC12 Tool Library redesign >
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:35 pm
by cnckeith
suntravel wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:49 pm
This concept looks really good. I like the option to change the pictures for each tool.
Uwe
thanks, the idea is you will be able to upload any .jpg or .png you want, so you could take a photo with your phone and upload it if you want.