Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Here's a little winter project that I've been working on. It's nothing compared to the "Big Iron" a lot of others have converted, but none the less a fun project.

I came by a new unused 2016 ShopBot Desktop Max last fall that a friend had and was looking to sell. After attempting to find a buyer for him and coming up with no takers, I decided to buy it myself, with intentions of converting it to a Centroid Acorn system and giving it a new lease on life. Out with the old Gecko drives and the close to 20 year old software (which has gone through few changes in that time span) and in with the new parts. This includes, at the top of the list, an Acorn4 controller, 5 LeadShine EM542S open loop drives (to go with the Thompson Rotating Screw NEMA 23 motors), new proximity sensors (set up for auto square homing), crosshair laser, touch probe, and tool touch off (auto tool length measure for manual/auto tool changes). Future additions will be a rotary axis and an edge clamp jig. While "Super Max" might make one think that it would have an ATC, that's probably not going to happen. The "Super" part is the Acorn, CNC12 software, and all that it can be, as the updates just keep happening! 8-)

Anyway, this is just the first installment of this build thread. In the next one, I'll have some video of proof of life and other things. Next thing to build is a monitor/PC holder to go on a monitor arm.

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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Looks like a quality unit. Interesting that the vfd is hanging off the side of the gantry.


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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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SandboundChris wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:33 pm Looks like a quality unit. Interesting that the vfd is hanging off the side of the gantry.
Yeah, it's pretty solid. It's got some quirks, but most are being addressed. The VFD is a small Delta S1 on this unit. ShopBot has never had a good solution for controlling the RPM on these by controller and file, so the potentiometer on the front of the VFD has always been used for controlling the RPM. Not anymore, full control now! The spindle is a 1hp HSD, 24000 RPM, with an ER20 collet.
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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Cool mounting for the stepper drivers.

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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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suntravel wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 2:50 pm Cool mounting for the stepper drivers.

Uwe
Yeah, didn't give it a thought until I took one of the drivers out of the box and sat in on the original back plane and saw that they were too tall to clear the deck. :( Laying them flat on their back just took up too much space. The angle mounts worked out great.
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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Sword wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 2:41 pm
SandboundChris wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:33 pm Looks like a quality unit. Interesting that the vfd is hanging off the side of the gantry.
Yeah, it's pretty solid. It's got some quirks, but most are being addressed. The VFD is a small Delta S1 on this unit. ShopBot has never had a good solution for controlling the RPM on these by controller and file, so the potentiometer on the front of the VFD has always been used for controlling the RPM. Not anymore, full control now! The spindle is a 1hp HSD, 24000 RPM, with an ER20 collet.
Sword, what did you do to allow the spindle to be controlled via gcode? I have a Shopbot Desktop 2418 that I would like to convert over. It has the HSD 1.25hp Spindle with the Delta VFD. Also did you cut the motors off the Acme leadscrews and install couplers for the new motors?
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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Boatwrights Workshop wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 5:10 pm
Sword, what did you do to allow the spindle to be controlled via gcode? I have a Shopbot Desktop 2418 that I would like to convert over. It has the HSD 1.25hp Spindle with the Delta VFD. Also did you cut the motors off the Acme leadscrews and install couplers for the new motors?
Hello Boatwright,

The Acorn controller has a 0v-10v analog signal that controls the RPM via G-code S command (for example S18000 in your job file). The VFD needs to have some parameters changed so that it uses this analog signal to control the frequency/RPM, and do it without the potentiometer. These parameters can be found in the VFD Manual. I'll look them up again to see what they were. Wiring also needs to be changed or added to provide the analog signals to the proper terminals on the VFD.

I did not change motors or leadscrews, they are the original Tompson BSA's with the integrated tapered end leadscrews. Some time in the future they will be replaced with some proper ballscrews and different motors, but for now it's working pretty nice.

Sorry for not getting an update and video on this project yet, it's been a busy spring and summer. I will get on it and get it done. ;)
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Re: Rebuild thread – ShopBot Desktop SuperMax

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Scott,
Thank you. I will be starting my retrofit soon. I need to place a "Home/Limit" switch on the Z. The Shopbot Desktop 2418 didn't come with a Home/Limit switch for the Z axis and it's quite annoying. I just wanted to make few little changes to accommodate my liking.
Blue Elephant 1318-4th axis Rotary, 6hp Spindle with Richauto B58 DSP controller converted to Centroid Acorn, Shopbot Desktop 2418 with 1.25hp HSD Spindle
Epilog Helix 50 watt C02 laser 18"x 24" work area
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